tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post1909647451904243890..comments2024-03-07T12:57:35.296-05:00Comments on Varieties of Unreligious Experience: The filthy EucharistConrad H. Rothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-65177973142249221432006-11-18T03:06:00.000-05:002006-11-18T03:06:00.000-05:00I attended an Episcopal mass once, at the Cathedra...I attended an Episcopal mass once, at the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_John_the_Unfinished">Cathedral of St. John the Divine</a> of all places--the largest neo-Gothic church <em>in the world</em>--surrounded by a crowd of excitable hand-on-heart Carolinians. It was a daunting experience.Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-38216296138593891592006-11-17T23:50:00.000-05:002006-11-17T23:50:00.000-05:00Despite never having taken the sacrament, I find t...Despite never having taken the sacrament, I find the idea of consuming God somewhat enthralling. Is there a parallel, do you think, in any other religion? There is a Hindu deity who swallowed the universe and I suppose that that's kind of the same thing, albeit in reverse...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-29211320848303272742006-11-17T17:58:00.000-05:002006-11-17T17:58:00.000-05:00"The idea about Christ being in your stomach is no..."The idea about Christ being in your stomach is not really consistent with Catholic thought."<br /><br />Well, Berengar was a good 200 years before Thomas, of course. Even Thomas' opinion raises problems, though--eg., where does the Presence go? And as far as I understand, Thomas was still debating the church-mouse question.Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-26883908759501395812006-11-17T12:51:00.000-05:002006-11-17T12:51:00.000-05:00The special sink you're talking about is commonly ...The special sink you're talking about is commonly called a sequarium (I think that's how you spell it, but I'm not 100%)<br /><br />This practice came from the need to clean the vessels after Mass, so you could just rinse them in water. <br /><br />The idea about Christ being in your stomach is not really consistent with Catholic thought. From the Thomistic viewpoint, the species is only consecrated so long as it has the appearance of bread and wine (the accidents). Once they are dissolved (or evaporated) then the presence is no longer there (or least that's how I understand it).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-27807695948702066852006-11-17T02:35:00.000-05:002006-11-17T02:35:00.000-05:00I can see I'm out of my depth here...I can see I'm out of my depth here...Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-582512165774338832006-11-16T21:33:00.000-05:002006-11-16T21:33:00.000-05:00In the 14th century a Franciscan bishop (Francis d...In the 14th century a Franciscan bishop (Francis della Rovere, later Sixtus IV) caused great controversy in his declaration that Jesus' blood, shed on the cross, descended into the ground and was thus released from the 'hypostatic union' that would have otherwise ensured its ascension into heaven. He was called to defend this belief before the Pope and for centuries afterwards there was bitter antagonism on this matter with the Dominicans.<br /><br />I wonder: could this Methodist practise be an indication that della Rovere's claim has now been accepted by the church? Does the newly-created blood of Christ not share the same status as that which bled into the soil two-thousand years ago? Or does this mean that they secretly recognise that it's just red wine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-37374654143785946702006-11-15T21:31:00.000-05:002006-11-15T21:31:00.000-05:00Yeah. After posting, I looked into a little more....Yeah. After posting, I looked into a little more. The Methodists I know must've inherited the practice from their Anglican forebears, and they from Catholics. I found this, among others:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PiscinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-68653366764458934212006-11-15T19:57:00.000-05:002006-11-15T19:57:00.000-05:00Ah, really? I'd never heard of that before, very i...Ah, really? I'd never heard of that before, very interesting...Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-46074735719370924892006-11-15T19:44:00.000-05:002006-11-15T19:44:00.000-05:00I've heard reports that some Methodist churches ha...I've heard reports that some Methodist churches have special sinks that, instead of draining to the sewer or septic tank, have pipes that lead directly into the soil. These sinks are used to dispose of the communion wine/juice, the idea clearly being that reunion with the ground is preferable to ending up in human wastes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com