tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post5422333821240114854..comments2024-03-07T12:57:35.296-05:00Comments on Varieties of Unreligious Experience: Wer band dich in Schlummer so bang?Conrad H. Rothhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-49896012943379815682008-10-09T15:12:00.000-04:002008-10-09T15:12:00.000-04:00I'm inclined to agree. But having serious politica...I'm inclined to agree. But having serious political views or awareness (or even class-consciousness) is no requisite for the dream of revolution, a dream which is largely a hangover from adolescence; coupled with a fondness for a period in art (Modernism) that favoured 'revolutionary' aesthetic experimentation--a revolution which, as I have claimed, is now spent.<BR/><BR/>Today's art is entirely dependent on the rhetoric of radical innovation: the language of the Turner Prize every year is "Well it may not be pretty, but at least it challenges our notions of what 'art' is." This deconstruction (which has been allied to the ideals of political revolution since the late 60s) is now art's role and purpose.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it is all terribly vague and unintrospected.Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-86487304992949861242008-10-09T09:54:00.000-04:002008-10-09T09:54:00.000-04:00well, very basically, it's incredibly rare to find...well, very basically, it's incredibly rare to find anything even remotely class-aware in the deterritorialized, smooth, nomadic world of the freelance curator or contemporary artist... Maybe we've met vastly different art students on our travels, but most of the ones I know wouldn't recognise the political if it bit them on the marx...Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11658628800390775081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-59494405867479801182008-10-09T08:48:00.000-04:002008-10-09T08:48:00.000-04:00"The Kino Fist event was only linked to the larger..."The Kino Fist event was only linked to the larger art ensemble in the loosest and most utilitarian of terms,"<BR/><BR/>OK, fair enough; the relation of KF to the whole was not entirely clear. I should have asked. Nina seemed very nice, not that we spoke much.<BR/><BR/>Could you possibly expand the distinction you are making between 'art world' and 'revolutionary'? It strikes me, from the interaction I've had in the past with these sorts of artists and art students, that they see what they do (or at least what modern art in general does) as, broadly, revolutionary. Hence the sensationalism and the constant slew of objects that are un-artlike, in a Daily Mail sense. Hatherley's piece on apocalypse was pure masses-against-the-classes revolutionarism: "This is what the optimistic apocalyptics are reduced to, in a world where it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism. 'There is hope, but not for us'"<BR/><BR/>I take your point about Herzog. It didn't work for me, but let's be honest, it was a very small point, and on balance I liked the film as a whole.Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-57354889869546924282008-10-09T08:33:00.000-04:002008-10-09T08:33:00.000-04:00A couple of points, if I may:The Kino Fist event w...A couple of points, if I may:<BR/><BR/>The Kino Fist event was only linked to the larger art ensemble in the loosest and most utilitarian of terms, I wouldn't consider them to be part of the same milieu at all.<BR/><BR/>The citation you've pulled from the pamphlet (handed to you by Nina, the other member of Kino Fist) doesn't really suggest anything, does it? I think you're conflating two attitudes, one of the 'art world' and one of the 'revolutionary'. Hatherley's modernism is of the kind that Thatcher had to suppress, rather than anything that Saatchi was buying...<BR/><BR/>Also, I think Herzog's choice of music is fantastic. The inappropriateness you speak of is perfect as a methodology of nihilism. Taking examples from the pinnacles of human achievement, romance and grandeur, and setting them against the infinite indifference of (N)ature, it's brilliant, and very typical.Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11658628800390775081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-82987205484065956002008-10-07T20:46:00.000-04:002008-10-07T20:46:00.000-04:00R: Yes, Threads. It was OK.R: Yes, <EM>Threads</EM>. It was OK.Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-41206879432315014942008-10-07T07:40:00.000-04:002008-10-07T07:40:00.000-04:00Conrad, it is indeed. It's just that when I read ...Conrad, it is indeed. It's just that when I read this post the first time, the opening chords of <I>Götterdämmerung</I> popped into my head! <BR/><BR/>Regarding your post, this past weekend, Toronto had its annual Nuit Blanche festival, which is basically an all-night party with art exhibitions across the city. <BR/><BR/>It's fun to be out and see people on the streets, but a lot of the art was very uninteresting, and I found myself wondering where we go from here.Andrew W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00071098030747838202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-91456859164609052972008-10-07T07:26:00.000-04:002008-10-07T07:26:00.000-04:00"an odd made-for-TV drama about nuclear apocalypse..."an odd made-for-TV drama about nuclear apocalypse in Sheffield"<BR/><BR/><I>Threads</I>, was it? Don't tell me that made no impression on you as well?!Raminagrobishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12008850757226541475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-55090492262575590112008-10-06T20:45:00.000-04:002008-10-06T20:45:00.000-04:00I thought this was a better title...I thought this was a better title...Conrad H. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01916542057749474124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-82375779725495079312008-10-06T20:43:00.000-04:002008-10-06T20:43:00.000-04:00Am I nuts, or was this post called "Twilight" this...Am I nuts, or was this post called "Twilight" this morning?<BR/><BR/>Zurück vom Ring!Andrew W.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00071098030747838202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20433842.post-2384915362546038582008-10-06T12:52:00.000-04:002008-10-06T12:52:00.000-04:00I find in this post nothing to add or object to. C...I find in this post nothing to add or object to. Crisp and insightful, as usual. Time for people to start unlearning the belief in great events, as the man said.Greg Afinogenovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13529073439919307693noreply@blogger.com